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04-20-2017, 10:36 PM
I've been remiss in posting an update on my goats reaction tot he CD&T vaccine.
All the goats are doing well!
My friend, Debbi Otta, is a licensed vet tech. She and her husband, Eldon, bought Nan & Phil’s goat Pac-Man. Debbi has been my “right hand man” since the end of January when I had total knee replacement. She has totally cared for my goats - feed, hoof trimming, blood draws for annual testing and vaccinations. In exchange her goats get plenty of our premium quality grass hay. Talk about a win-win situation!
I digress…..
Jethro had the worst reaction and it took 13 days for him to the point where he could walk fairly normally. He now only has a mild limp. At one point the inflammation was so large it spread to his armpit and I couldn’t even get a finger between his armpit and chest. Banamine helped a little but it was obvious the swelling was affecting the nerves.
8 days after the Cavalry 9 CD&T injection I had my vet (Matt) out to check Jethro since he was still lame. The other goats had recovered to the point I no longer needed to give them Banamine.
Matt gave all the goats a once over and gave Jethro an injection of Dexamethizone (steroid).
All of them still had swellings of varying sizes. He wasn’t sure if the swelling would ever completely disappear. Only time will tell.
Matt said swelling and “shot knots” are common with all CD&T brands – some more than others. What my goats experienced was a greater reaction than he normally sees but it is not totally uncommon.
His initial thought on the reaction to the vaccine is that at some point the vaccine had warmed up. Since he handed it to me out of his refrigerated truck and I put it directly into my refrigerator, I think it must have warmed up before it was delivered to Matt if that is, in fact, what caused the reactions. Even when drawing injections it was put back into the refrigerator between draws and only one needle was used to draw all of the injections.
Matt is now recommending we use the Colorado Serum CD&T which is labeled for goats. He said Cavalry 9 has become widely used and popular. However, the Colorado Serum CD&T is labeled for goats. He is going to test it on his own goats and sheep before we need to vaccinate again. I have not been able to find the exact Colorado Serum CD&T he is recommending at the normal online businesses I buy from so may end up buying it from him.
Luckily it’ll be another year before they need vaccinated again!
Matt gave me vaccines for Debbi at the same time he gave me mine. She and I checked and they all had the same batch numbers. She gave her vaccinations before mine were given theirs. I asked her to check her goats.
Here is what she said:
“My goats may have had “knots” as well but by the time I checked them, after we noticed how bad yours were, there were no knots. The exception was “Jazzy” who had just been given her vaccine two days before I checked. She had a fairly large swollen area behind the elbow. The other goats had gotten their vaccines at least three weeks or more before we gave yours, so there is no telling if they got knots and they went away. I did not notice anyone getting lame however. Yours were the first time I ever saw that. I do believe I vaccinate in the same place that we did yours so that should not have made a difference.
I think some goats may have a worse reaction than others.
Just another observation. If they react severely to a vaccine they may have reacted mildly to it in the past and it just kept getting worse until the swelling became so big that it was interfering with the nerves down that leg. An example might be that the first time I got stung by a bee I had hardly any reaction. The next time I swelled worse. The last time, I got stung up under my shirt, and I swelled up so bad I looked like I was 9 months pregnant! Reaction can continue to get worse each time you use the same product.
I think that may be why Matt wants us to change products because we have already seen some issues with this one. It could very well be one of the components of this multi vaccination and not the CD&T in general. Or it could be what they use as a carrier. Who knows. We will know a lot more when we use the new product next year.”
All the goats are doing well!
My friend, Debbi Otta, is a licensed vet tech. She and her husband, Eldon, bought Nan & Phil’s goat Pac-Man. Debbi has been my “right hand man” since the end of January when I had total knee replacement. She has totally cared for my goats - feed, hoof trimming, blood draws for annual testing and vaccinations. In exchange her goats get plenty of our premium quality grass hay. Talk about a win-win situation!
I digress…..
Jethro had the worst reaction and it took 13 days for him to the point where he could walk fairly normally. He now only has a mild limp. At one point the inflammation was so large it spread to his armpit and I couldn’t even get a finger between his armpit and chest. Banamine helped a little but it was obvious the swelling was affecting the nerves.
8 days after the Cavalry 9 CD&T injection I had my vet (Matt) out to check Jethro since he was still lame. The other goats had recovered to the point I no longer needed to give them Banamine.
Matt gave all the goats a once over and gave Jethro an injection of Dexamethizone (steroid).
All of them still had swellings of varying sizes. He wasn’t sure if the swelling would ever completely disappear. Only time will tell.
Matt said swelling and “shot knots” are common with all CD&T brands – some more than others. What my goats experienced was a greater reaction than he normally sees but it is not totally uncommon.
His initial thought on the reaction to the vaccine is that at some point the vaccine had warmed up. Since he handed it to me out of his refrigerated truck and I put it directly into my refrigerator, I think it must have warmed up before it was delivered to Matt if that is, in fact, what caused the reactions. Even when drawing injections it was put back into the refrigerator between draws and only one needle was used to draw all of the injections.
Matt is now recommending we use the Colorado Serum CD&T which is labeled for goats. He said Cavalry 9 has become widely used and popular. However, the Colorado Serum CD&T is labeled for goats. He is going to test it on his own goats and sheep before we need to vaccinate again. I have not been able to find the exact Colorado Serum CD&T he is recommending at the normal online businesses I buy from so may end up buying it from him.
Luckily it’ll be another year before they need vaccinated again!
Matt gave me vaccines for Debbi at the same time he gave me mine. She and I checked and they all had the same batch numbers. She gave her vaccinations before mine were given theirs. I asked her to check her goats.
Here is what she said:
“My goats may have had “knots” as well but by the time I checked them, after we noticed how bad yours were, there were no knots. The exception was “Jazzy” who had just been given her vaccine two days before I checked. She had a fairly large swollen area behind the elbow. The other goats had gotten their vaccines at least three weeks or more before we gave yours, so there is no telling if they got knots and they went away. I did not notice anyone getting lame however. Yours were the first time I ever saw that. I do believe I vaccinate in the same place that we did yours so that should not have made a difference.
I think some goats may have a worse reaction than others.
Just another observation. If they react severely to a vaccine they may have reacted mildly to it in the past and it just kept getting worse until the swelling became so big that it was interfering with the nerves down that leg. An example might be that the first time I got stung by a bee I had hardly any reaction. The next time I swelled worse. The last time, I got stung up under my shirt, and I swelled up so bad I looked like I was 9 months pregnant! Reaction can continue to get worse each time you use the same product.
I think that may be why Matt wants us to change products because we have already seen some issues with this one. It could very well be one of the components of this multi vaccination and not the CD&T in general. Or it could be what they use as a carrier. Who knows. We will know a lot more when we use the new product next year.”
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