CD&T Reaction

[Taffy]

My friend, Debbi Otta, who has been caring for my goats while I've been recovering from total knee replacement surgery came over on Tuesday and we trimmed hooves & gave Calvalry 9 CD&T to 9 goats.  Debbi is a licensed vet tech and she and her husband, Eldon, bought Pac-Man from Nanno & Phil plus have another wether for packing. I 'm still limited in what I can/am allowed to do.  Debbi has been an angel!

Wednesday when I went out to feed 4 of the goats were very lame.  Debbi came over and we checked them.  One had a 104.1* temperature.  There was heat at the injection site of the 4 but not the other 5 goats.  We gave Banamine (IM in the rump muscle) to the 4 assuming they'd be better in 24 hours.

Thursday 2 of the 4 were barely lame so I didn't give them Banamine.  The other 2 were still in rough shape so I gave them Banamine.

Friday all 4 were in bad shape with 2 of them being extremely lame and one actually bending his head at the pole and holding his neck and head arched to the right.  I panicked seeing that!  I left a message for my vet.  Debbi came over and with her help we went over the 4 goats "with a fine toothed comb."  There were large swellings at the injection sites, swollen elbow and knee joints, heat going from the injection sites and spreading under the armpit and down the leg.  The goat that had the 104.1* temp on Wednesday had a 101.8* temp so was in the normal range.

The vet called and we described everything that was going on to him.  He said it is not uncommon for this type of reaction.  He said it usually takes a week for the goat to recover from the reaction and to give Banamine every 24 hours until there are no more symptoms and to then give it one more time.

All 4 goats were better within a few hours after the Banamine injection each time it was given.  All injection were given IM in the rump muscle.

I looked through my records and have never had a single goat have a reaction to Cavalry 9.  Debbi and I both purchased the vaccine from our goat vet and the vaccines had the same serial numbers.  None of her goats had a reaction and only 4 of the 9 of my goats had a reaction.  All of my goats get the Cavalry 9 CD&T vaccination annually.  Why the reaction this time?  Who knows.  I hope they  get better quickly.  It's hard seeing them hurt.

Here is a link to a video I took of Sugar, my 1 1/2 year old mini Alpine doe, showing how she was pussy footing on Wednesday.  She gets "photo bombed" by a few of the other goats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqFY1jc...e=youtu.be

[MosesBrowning]

Yikes, that's scary! I hope they recover fully from this in the next few days.

[Nanno]

That's certainly unsettling. I wonder if your bottle was somehow contaminated or left unrefrigerated. Did you call the company and let them know?

[Taffy]

I got 3 10 dose bottles from the vet right out of his refrigerated truck and put them in my refrigerator. Debbi took 2 boxes and I kept 1. All are the same serial number. When we gave them the CD&T we used 1 needle to draw from out of the bottle for all of the injections so it would have been the only one to puncture the seal. No, I didn't contact Merck. I did throw out the 1 dose left in the bottle. Yes, it's certainly unsettling.

[Nanno]

So how are your goaties doing this morning? Any improvement?

[Taffy]

2 of the 4 are doing better. 2 are still extremely lame.

[Nanno]

Poor little things. I hope they recover quickly. Are you worried at all about using banamine for so many days in a row? I've heard you're not supposed to use it more than three consecutive days on ruminants. I've also heard that it's hard on muscle tissue if you use it IM. We usually try to give it IV. What have you heard?

[Taffy]

I'm just doing what my vet told me as far as the length of time and the IM. He's an awesome goat vet so I trust what he says. However, I will ask him about the muscle damage and length of time on Banamine tomorrow. Do you have a website link about it? I've never given Banamine IV. It would definitely work immediately that way!

[Nanno]

Sorry, I don't have a website. I just know that one of the vets I use really doesn't like using banamine IM. I know most folks do it with no problem, and I've also used it IM with no issues myself. I guess it can cause some muscle scarring or something is what she says. It does work very quickly IV. If you wanted a slower release it seems IM would be the way to go. Another vet I use said banamine should not be given more than three days in a row unless the need is very serious. That seems to be the general consensus on TheGoatSpot as well, and there's a pretty knowledgeable crew there. It's definitely something to ask about. I'd be curious what your vet says. I like hearing different opinions on things.

[GoldenTreePackGoats]

The vet I use also says to never use banamine in goats IM, causes narly muscle damage. I have the injectable solution and she instructed to give IV or oral. Duration varies per condition. I wish I had a documented study or something to back the information up but I don't. For me I'd rather be safe then hurt the muscles of my athletes. I'm always interested about vaccines, I have triplets that all get lumps from the cdt colorado serum vaccine but the other 5 don't. I've opted to vaccinate every other year because of it.